This is something I have always thought about when it comes to organizations like WIC giving out formula in large amounts for women to be able to feed their babies. I dealt with WIC here in my state for a short period of time after my youngest son was born, and I found their breastfeeding information to be outdated, and not helpful at all. I clearly wasn’t a first time mother, but we had a rough time, and their help, which I already knew was bunk didn’t go a long way.
While many of the women in my area that qualify for the WIC program, also qualify for the government based health care program medicaid, I noticed that the vast majority of lactation consultants, or real, working, and certified IBCLC’s do not accept patients with this kind of health care coverage. Kind of boggled my mind.
I know this question has been posed before, in other blogs, so I wanted to ask my readers to chime in here today and let me know what you think, and your opinion on WIC.
I will fill you in of course on my thoughts.
Do I think that WIC kills breastfeeding relationships? Fully! Women are not being given the support, and information that will allow them to have successful breastfeeding relationships, and are often given bad information because of a newborn weight the WIC clinic may not like, or may find alarming. In that case many of the suggestions include supplementing, or switching completely. I have seen children told there was a failure to thrive situation as newborns, and 3 years later they are still in the less than 10% percentile for weight or growth.
Not only that but the growth charts being used today are based on formula fed babies, not babies that are exclusively breastfed. That is one of the biggest problems with weight gain issues.
So these women are given free formula, which they would have never bought on their own because one of the main reasons for breastfeeding for so many is the cost factor, and they don’t feel bad at all because they are still feeding their baby for free.
Giant circle of fail.
Anyways, that is just my take on what I have seen locally here in Connecticut.
So ladies, let me hear what you have experienced with WIC & Breastfeeding!
I haven’t had and direct experience with WIC myself, but a very good friend of mine became a certified WIC counselor a few years ago and was released because she didn’t follow the proper protocol. It had to do with a policy that if a mom called with difficulties more than twice, they were to be given formula, and she didn’t do that. The mom called another time after that and the supervisor told my friend she was too militant about breastfeeding.
For some women, breastfeeding is REALLY, REALLY hard. I don’t know how I got through the hard times the first time, and the only reason I got through it the second time was because I knew I could from the first time. I know WIC has an obligation to make sure that babies are well nourished, but I would like to see them doing a better job of individualized care – at the very least, giving the moms who really do want to breastfeed the stronger support they so often need.
Our local WIC office is very different from what you are describing. I know several people who go there and they have a lactation consultant on staff to help. They have current information and offer phone support as well as appointments in office. They also try to promote breastfeeding throughout at least the first year by offering incentives like handmade blankets for those who continue to exclusively breastfeed. They also try to promote breastfeeding whenever, wherever and try to fight the “stigma” of public breastfeeding. If you are “caught breastfeeding” in the waiting area while waiting for your appointment you get a special gift as well.
By continuing to exclusively breastfeed, the WIC program also provides benefits of food for the mother to keep the milk as healthy as possible. I know women who prefer to breastfeed and receive the tuna, vegetables and other food items as opposed to formula.
Are there those who do choose the formula route, yes. But there are WIC offices who are pushing and promoting breastfeeding high above formula feeding.
Although I agree about the weight charts and concerns about weight gain for exclusively breastfed children, I think that that is a universal problem in any care facility. I have always had “light” babies and have spent many a doctor visit hemming and hawing of charts not really made for my little guys.
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No, WIC doesn’t kill breastfeeding relationships. Women need to educate and prepare themselves for some of the problems that are common in breastfeeding. Just reading a simple book about breastfeeding that can be checked out from a library can better prepare a woman to handle some of the problems encountered in breastfeeding. When I was on WIC with my daughter (her 1st year of life), I was give a medela pump in style breast pump and the number of a breastfeeding peer counselor. I also attended breastfeeding support groups, which I had to research to find. Women need to be more accountable for their decisions. It’s very simple to blame others for decisions that one may feel pressured into making, but ultimately, they are making the decision. When my daughter was a week old, she hadn’t started regaining her birthweight, she was still jaundiced, and her care provider strongly recommended supplementation with formula. My daughter was still having wet and dirty diapers, and in addition to breastfeeding, I was syringe feeding her EBM. I did everything I possibly could to maintain a breastfeeding relationship, because it was a high priority to me. It took a good 2 months to establish an easy breastfeeding relationship, and I wouldn’t do anything differently. WIC is there as a resource, but it’s not their responsibility to ensure that the breastfeeding relationship works.
My local WIC office was very breastfeeding friendly to me: offered a free pump (don’t know what kind b/c I didn’t need it), immediate personal help when I had a problem (they actually couldn’t help me but tried, and told me to see a doctor), always gave good information. They were positive about breastfeeding, made sure I had a good plan for going back to work, and asked “how is breastfeeding going” at every appointment, rather than “are you still breastfeeding.” The formula they do give isn’t enough to fully feed a baby, and they emphasize that before you even have the baby.
I only have a few small problems with the program: They give an excessive amount of solid food for breastfeeding babies (and they start with the “full” amount at 6 months already), so if moms thought their babies were “supposed” to eat all of it, it could lead to problems or early weaning. Also, they stop offering the extra food to breastfeeding moms at one year, which is understandable due to limited budget, but I think it reinforces the mistaken notion that one year is good, and anything over that is “extra credit” for overachievers, or maybe just weird. Even a small amount of food for the mom from 12-18 months of breastfeeding would be a great start.
Unfortunately, I rarely see or hear of anyone breastfeeding for any significant length of time in my area. Bottles, bottles, everywhere, except for the one time I saw a lady nursing her baby at the library, and maybe some of those bottles have mom’s milk in them, I hope. The “problem” isn’t the local hospital, either, because they follow baby-friendly policies as far as I know (no supplementation unless necessary, no pacifiers, rooming in, etc). I think culture, low-income moms having to go back to work right away to jobs that aren’t pumping-friendly (waitressing, retail, etc.), and ignorant doctors (recommending early solids, uninformed about breastfeeding in general) are factors in the low breastfeeding rates in my area.
First, I don’t have any personal experience with WIC myself. If there are any studies out there about breastfeeding duration and WIC that would be interesting to see. I have known moms who have received it and told stories of bad information, pushing solids, etc. I have also known several women who worked as WIC breastfeeding counselors who were LLL card-carrying lactivists working very hard to change things from the inside.
I think this issue has very much to do with our culture, and when you throw poverty in the mix things get even more complicated. Through my work with LLL (I am a leader applicant, nit a leader yet, but have been attending meetings for 4 years and always attend our state conference and the CERP offerings) I have seen many women who are told the same things I hear WIC parents are told, but by their doctors! I have known women who are far more wealthy than I am and have access to the “best” doctors, IBCLCs, etc fail at breastfeeding because of bad advice problems that would have been preventable or solvable. I know breastfeeding duration rates are better for the wealthy/more educated, but I think it is safe to say that there are major problems across the board.
I can also think of some problems that may be unique to lower income situations. Breastfeeding and working can be challenging even for moms who have great resources. I can imagine that many low wage employers are not following the laws about providing time and a place to pump. In some communities, formula feeding is still seen as something poor people do (completely wrong perception but it absolutely exists). In metro Atlanta, there are probably 10 LLL groups and most of then are concentrated in the suburbs or, if in the city, in the very wealthy areas like Dunwoody, which could be a 45 min drive from South Atlanta. I live in a low income area and many of my neighbors do not have cars or air conditioning. When dealing with a severe lack of resources formula does become, in a way, “necessary” (in that once opportunities to get breastfeeding well-established fail, well, baby’s gotta eat.)
I most definitely agree with you that the system could benefit from an overhaul. Unfortunately some people are more interested in getting people off assistance than changing the infrastructure, but it’s my belief that an investment in social programs is an investment in our future. It’s also significant to consider, when we are talking about formula marketing, that when formula companies market to low income mothers we do, as a nation, subsidize those companies when WIC fails to be the resource that it should be for women.
Thank you for your post!
I think a lot of states are trying to change their practices to be more breastfeeding friendly. I live in Michigan and have never been on WIC myself, but I do work with them indirectly for my job. They’re trying to change the public perception from the place to get formula to the place to get breastfeeding support. In our state, they’re actually putting their money where their mouth is too. Obama’s stimulus also included money to induce states to add peer breastfeeding counselors. They aren’t IBCLC’s, but I think it’s a good start. Unfortunately, I think this is like other healthcare professionals, some are good and some are LOUSY! Definitely a good thing to talk about though
I think it is an important question. It appears to vary greatly from county to county. When I went in for WIC the nutritional consultant just assumed I needed formula coupons, “So you’re going to need formula, right?” and I had to correct her before she made me formula coupons! The few times I went in after having the baby I always felt like a queen for breastfeeding. However, Queen of the county Health Department is not very glamorous.
In my area the WIC staff are really overworked and spread thin. I live in an area with a lot of poverty and the wait for coupons could be anywhere between 3-4 hours.
One benefit of breastfeeding is that it is free. This has the potential to be a really powerful incentive for poor people, but WIC makes it a non-issue. This is a major problem, as poor people are at greater risk for health problems like childhood obesity and need the benefits of breastfeeding more than anyone. And in places with a lot of poverty the WIC office is likely understaffed and overworked so it becomes a formula dispensary more than a supportive network.
It is also important to mention WIC raises the cost of formula across the board so it is really vicious cycle. This raises the issue as to whether government involvement in offering this particular assistance is really helping and how it can be improved.
I believe this issue should be high on the priority list for “lactivists”, and the best way to tackle it is by improving the treatment of laboring women and their babies in hospitals so they can get a good start in the breastfeeding relationship.
I don’t think WIC keeps women from breastfeeding. I think if a woman feels strongly about BF’ing and she wants to do it, she’s going to do it. They will never take WIC away in an effort to force women to BF. There are alot of women out there who just don’t want to BF. Offering WIC so that these poor mothers will actually feed their babies enough is the humane thing to do. If these mothers were left to fend for themselves in feeding their babies there would be a severe malnutrition problem in poverty stricken families with babies.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that anyone take WIC away to force people to breastfeed though.
I have been on WIC for all 3 of my kids, my oldest WIC never even mentioned breastfeeding to me nor did the hospital. They both just asked what type of formula and at that time breastfeeding would have been much better for us, I was not working my husband was working all the time and then leaving for the military and we were broke. The extra food from WIC would have helped us and the breastfeeding would have been much better for my daughter. With my son, the hospital did ask but when I said formula(because thats what I had done with my daughter) they said ok and brought the formula in. The WIC office did not say anything one way or the other with him. Now my 3rd baby is breastfeed, we had a few times in the beginning weeks where the pain was just unbearable that she had an ounce or 2 of formula. The hospital here was awful it took 24 hours for a lactation consultant to come in. Then we went to the WIC office a few days after she was born and they questioned my desion to breastfeed. They told me there was always the option of formula if breastfeeding did not work out and that if I needed the formula just to call. there was no mention of if you need help with breastfeeding give us a call. I was in school when my youngest was born and thankfully one of my best friends had a pump I was able to borrow, because when I asked the WIC office for one i was told they do not supply them. I think WIC needs to be more helpful cause I am sure I would have breast feed my older 2 if I had known more about it and I am loving breastfeeding my baby now
@Lauren Your experience at the hospital sounds very similar to mine, and I’m at a huge city, at a university hospital that is rather progressive in some other areas. Pretty much every hospital in my area sucks for breastfeeding, though. With my first I wanted to breastfeed and they were pressuring me (actually demanding) to give my baby formula at every turn. It also took 24 hours to get a LC to me and that only happened because the nure said she was scared my baby was going to die because I refused to give her formula. When I had problems after I got home and went back to the hospital LCs for help, they didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know (my baby wouldn’t latch at all!) and said that she probably wouldn’t latch because I didn’t have any milk, and I probably wasn’t getting any because I had PCOS. She sent me home with a one-time use SNS which I never used because, well, hard to use an SNS when the baby won’t latch at all. When I was leaving I said, “What if this doesn’t work? When should I come back?” The LC was like, “Oh, you want to come back…?” Then she said, “You know, sometimes breastfeeding just doesn’t work. It’s okay.”
My point is it’s an uphill battle even for people who desperately want to breastfeed and have all the resources in the world. I did manage to salvage my breastfeeding relationship and eventually I EBF and went on to nurse my daughter until she was 2.5. But those first couple of weeks I would not wish on an enemy.
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I don’t have any experience with WIC and breastfeeding, but I do have to say that I had a super easy time while on NH medicaid. They covered my visits to three different IBCLCs (one even in MA) when I was having issues when my daughter was first born this May.
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I think it’s a mixed bag. It really depends on the nutritionist you see there. Most of my patients really want to breastfeed and just need a lot of support to do it. Unfortunately, it’s easier for the people at WIC to just end up giving them extra formula. In addition, there’s a perverse incentive to choose “breast and bottle” because apparently you get the most value that way (according to my patients, who certainly know how to make the most of the minimal amount of help they get, you get more formula and more food for mom that way).
On the other hand, I recently had a patient who was having trouble and her WIC office got her a really nice electric pump and sent someone to her house several days in a row, at no cost to her. And now she’s exclusively breastfeeding!
So it goes both ways. I am optimistic that more women will have the same kind of positive experiences.
I have had WIC since my first child was born; he is two and a half. I have always mainly nursed but supplemented with formula. I did notice that they ask if you are breastfeeding, but don’t inquire further even if you are accepting formula as well. I don’t think they are discouraging nursing but they aren’t encouraging it either. The majority of women on WIC are in a lower tax bracket and, not to sound condescending, not as intelligent as others who may be more well-off. Perhaps that explains going for the easy route. Man, that sounded bitchy.
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Wow, @deathmetalmommy. Do you have a source that states that people on WIC and/or in lower tax brackets are less intelligent?
Wow, I had no idea that there were WIC offices that *weren’t* supportive of breastfeeding! Our local office (SE Idaho) is so pro-breastfeeding that I’ve suggested them as a free source of support even to people who aren’t actually on the WIC program.
Even in the way they explain the differences between what you get if you’re nursing vs. formula feeding, it’s in a context that it benefits the whole family to breastfeed, and that they won’t be giving you as much if you choose formula instead.
They also connected me with a breastfeeding peer counselor, who not only offered assistance over the phone and came to my house to help me in person, but who called to check on me every few weeks and see if there was anything she could do for me!
Regarding the jarred food for baby — I think they give it to you from about 6 months until 12 months? — my suggestion (based on experience & hindsight) is to get all the food the checks allow, but feed it to your child at a pace that works for you. I agree that there’s way more than needed initially, and then none when you might still want it. Getting it to have for later seems like the best way to address this imbalance.
To answer the original question, no, I don’t believe WIC is killing breastfeeding relationships. But I agree very much with the other comments that there should be more balance, structure, consistency, and support from them. My experience with WIC regarding breastfeeding has been awesome, but since that hasn’t been the case for everyone I believe something needs to change.
I love my local WIC offices. They encourage breastfeeding, have lactation consultants on-hand, and gave me a pump for when I returned to work. I have been breastfeeding successfully for 5 months while working full-time. I felt like giving up on breastfeeding several times but they were very encouraging and I gave it another try and, as I said, have been going strong ever since. Breastfeeding is HARD, it’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do and it’s so much easier to feed a baby formula – but WIC has always been there to support me in my decision and point out that there are extra food coupons for breastfeeding mothers, and support whenever I needed it, whether it was for me, the baby, or the pump itself – furnishing different flange sizes etc. I have had a wonderful experience and I hope others stick it out if you have decided to nurse.
I have to say that when i had my first child i found the WIC department to be encouraging but lacked a support element that is established now. I had my second child and my wic representative offered me a position as a Peer Helper in the health dept. I am now in that position trying to help the community and my mom’s with thier breastfeeding needs. We are trying to stop this stigma that wic kills breastfeeding. In fact we are very supportive and want all wic babies to recieve the best nutrition available, which is breast milk. Even the unhealthy moms can supply better nutrition than formula. so heres to a better way of doing things and i only pray our outreach is recieved by this community the way the other mothers above have been reached. Thank you.
I am a WIC breastfeeding peer counselor and our is very different than your experience in we get so much funding to help our breastfeedingmother. My co-worker and I have started a breastfeeding support group as well as breastfeeding classes that all prenatals have to take to get current and evidence based information. It also helps that we are both sitting for our IBCLC this year. I know what you are saying though. WIC is totally formula mongers! What I have found more is that the real failure for me comes in the hospital. The IBCLC’s there are so overworked that they tend to either see someone mere hours before discharge and the RN’s on the floor do not do much to foster an early and uninterrupted breastfeeding situation for the the nursing dyad. So, by the time the PP mother is on day three or four and having BF issues, they have all but given up. We need to get better BF educators in the hospital to intercept the early issues and better post partum breastfeeding follow up. Our clinic recieves a list from the two main hospitals our WIC mohters deliver at so we are able to follow up right after discharge. I hope this helps and if you have any questions or whatever, please email me!
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